lupo-leboucher ([info]lupoleboucher) wrote,
@ 2006-06-22 00:45:00
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Current music:"People" -Boyd Rice
Entry tags:science

Music, Molecules, Misanthropy
Most of economics is horse shit.



research byproducts (and with apologies to Boyd Rice)

Economists don't understand math. Sociologists are worse, and other pretenders to the mantle of "science" which focus on human beings (anthropologists, shrinks, political scientists, whatever) are too painful to even talk about. Economists shouldn't be so bad. They have actual numeric data. They have grand theories about how the world works. They should be able to do something. But their ideas are almost universally rubbish.



Consider, for example, utility theory. Utility theory is the underlying nonsense behind most economic nonsense. The easiest way to think about it is this:



When something costs x dollars, for example, people will buy y amount. If it costs more, people buy less. Makes sense, right? More or less, but let's look more carefully at this diagram. This picture implicitly assumes that you can buy a fractional (in fact, a real numbered) amount of something, which is nonsense. Sales is not a real number. Sales is an integer. You don't buy 7% of a doughnut. You buy a doughnut. Worse than that, price is also an integer also; smallest unit of which is a penny. This isn't some picking of mathematical hairs; this is fundamental. Math works different with integers (1,2, 3..) than with real numbers (1.1, 0.000029, 98.92834). It gets worse.


"a more realistic picture, involving individuals"


One of the fundamental assumptions of utility theory is that a function can be defined for an individual, and the sum of these functions gives the utility for a crowd. This is also wrong, both trivially and nontrivially. Let's examine a nontrivial case; the utility function of a large, orderly crowd. The crowd inside a theater.


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View the Video of people clapping here since LJ doesn't let it work


If you believe standard utility theory, every individual in the crowd has N claps worth of utility in them, and will give those N claps according to when they precious well intend to clap and stop. Same thing with standing ovations. Ever been in one of these audiences? If you have, and you paid attention (don't feel bad if you didn't; most people choose self-annihilation while in any kind of crowd), you'd notice that people mostly clap and stop clapping in total synchrony with people around them. Same thing with standing. Occasionally some brave person will stand prematurely, and the social forces in the theater will force him back down again. Then the damn fool will stand up again when the rest of the crowd tells him it is OK. Same thing with clapping, or stopping clapping. Some people will stop clapping before those around them do. They sit uncomfortably for a while, then they start clapping again, until everyone else decides not to.





"people, or spin-1/2 particles? hard to say from far enough away; everything looks small"



As it turns out, this behavior can be modeled pretty close to exactly using the ferromagnetic random field Ising model; a model which derives magnetic properties based on how microscopic spins in a substance work and interact with each other. In a ferromagnet, such spins have what amounts to peer pressure from exchange forces deriving from the Pauli exclusion principle. A random field is added to each spin location to give a "tendency" to an individual clapper (or a spin). An overall driver field is added to provide a stimulus (this field can be 0, like when there is no external magnetic field, or they turn out the lights). And you can vary the strength of the "peer pressure" forces between spins or clappers. The result of all this is that, in systems with a lot of peer pressure, you can get very abrupt drop off of clapping without a sharp change in the driver field. In fact, this is sometimes observed, generally in societies with strong peer pressures. Even when it is not abrupt, the drop off follows a pretty distinct scaling law. My friend Chuck (who goes to many performances) was kind enough to record some performances in San Francisco; while I didn't notice any particularly abrupt drop offs that didn't involve lights going out, the results were consistent with the scaling law, and totally inconsistent with any sort of no-interaction clapping theory I can think of. The details of such models are mostly in the network type, which, in the case of concert halls, is a square lattice, like the one shown below.


"+/- denotes opinion, color is tendency, and the big arrow an external driver field"


I'm not the only person to think of using spin waves to model crowd behavior; there is an entire field generally referred to as "Sociophysics" which uses them. I originally read about it years ago in a book called Synergetics by Hermann Haken (a book which has been formative in my way of looking at the world). Not only are these kinds of models pretty good at reproducing phenomenology, as J.P. Bouchaud and friends proved (before I could; damn those frenchmen with their big streaks of genius) they're even pretty good at reproducing actual numbers in more or less controlled experiments. They're good at other things too; for example, such networks can reduce to Hopfield nets in some approximations. Which rather indicates they're also useful for modeling how individuals make certain kinds of decisions as well. In other words; not only do you act like you are one of these spin-1/2 particles, in many situations, you act like your brain is made up of a scale free network of them. The same models can be used to model advertising or political campaigns, rumors, mass hysterias and fashion trends. And the numbers match up pretty well.


"The end of a clapping session. Note rapid fall off; the black curve dies off faster than the echo time of the room it happened in, meaning social pressure to stop clapping travels faster than the speed of sound"



Consider all this the next time you are in a concert hall clapping for some trained baboon who thinks he is Ludwig von Beethoven, and the dimwits next to you are going into transports over what a wonderful performance it was (of course it was wonderful; they paid $300 for the seats!). Do you find yourself clapping because you think the monkey deserves it? Or do you find yourself clapping because you're a molecule in a lattice of humanity? What does that say about you in the rest of your day to day life? How much of what you do and think you are is just because of social pressure? How many celebrated trends and movements, no more enduring and dignified than a spin-1/2 particle helplessly flopping around in response to other mindless spin-1/2 particles? Let's face it; if you know someone else who has similar opinions to yours, if you run in a crowd, if there are others who are like you: this is probably why.

All this kind of reminds me of the famous scene from the Third Man, where Harry Lime is on top of the Ferris wheel:


"Look down there... Would you feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving forever? ..."



"Nobody thinks in terms of human beings. Governments don't, so why should we? They talk about the people, and the Proletariat... I talk about the suckers and the mugs... It's the same thing. They have their five-year plan, and so have I....



"In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed - but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."






Thus, my misanthropic philosophy of humanity: with science. In many situations; perhaps most situations involving the mob, human beings are dots; less interesting and capable of exerting their individual wills than termites. It's all in the numbers. The terrible thing about it isn't the fact that my species as a whole is generally less individualistic and interesting than a species of bug which eats rotten wood for a living; the terrible thing is the conceit most of them have that they're any more individualistic or interesting than bugs. Whatever rationalization, whatever "ism" they come up with, in reality, 99.9% of them are doing what they are doing because people around them are.

Incidentally, most of these ideas actually originate from the fertile mind of Vilfredo Pareto, who, if you haven't heard of, you should learn about. If only for his amusing misanthropic ways.




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[info]shrinp_wark
2006-06-22 01:59 pm UTC (link)
Bravo.

The book store ran out of books on misanthropy the other day, so this was a very pleasing article.

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The Msanthropy Section
[info]prettyoctopussy
2006-06-22 05:43 pm UTC (link)
So, where would one find the misanthropy section? Is it a subsection of philosophy, or is it perhaps wedged in between self-help and psychology? Perhaps it's with the critical theory, rubbing shoulders with Foucault. Or is it under science?

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Re: The Msanthropy Section
[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-22 07:09 pm UTC (link)
You might look in the humor section.

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Re: The Misanthropy Section
[info]prettyoctopussy
2006-06-22 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Is that so?

Being a melancholy Slav I haven't got a sense of humor, as you know.

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Re: The Misanthropy Section
[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-22 09:08 pm UTC (link)
http://lord-whimsy.livejournal.com/131366.html

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Re: The Misanthropy Section
[info]prettyoctopussy
2006-06-23 06:53 am UTC (link)
Neat! I approve though my taste in chandeliers is rather more conventional.

Speaking of neat household furnishings, did you manage to catch the International Arts and Crafts movement exhibit at the De Young?

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Re: The Misanthropy Section
[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-23 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Sounds about as interesting as watching paint dry. Furniture exhibits bore me to tears. And anything in a San Francisco museum is suspect.

A&C stuff, on the other hand is great ... to buy and enjoy for yourself. It's dirt cheap and easy to find. Apparently, my $10 chest of drawers is an example.

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Re: The Misanthropy Section
[info]prettyoctopussy
2006-06-23 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Furniture was only a part of it. There was lots of fiber arts stuff and since that has become a bit of an obsession for me in the last year, it was exciting. Lots of pottery too, which is the sort of thing you like if you like that sort of thing; I do.

But I understand if your misanthropy prevents you from being in an enclosed room with art-minded bayaryans; they say a lot of obnoxious things. I protect myself with headphones and noise music, and all is well.

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Re: The Misanthropy Section
[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-23 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I've been to museums all over the world and looked at zillions of "fiber arts" pottery and furniture things. The only pottery I cared about was more than 1500 years old. The only furniture I thought was worth looking at was the art nouveaux desk in the musee d'whatever it was. I have never cared about anything with fibers in it; even the bayeaux tapestry is just an ugly fucking rug to me.

And I've yet to see an exhibit in San Francisco which wasn't more boring than watching paint dry. The pretentious people are pretty much the same everywhere. San Francisco just has less to be pretentious about.

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Re: The Misanthropy Section
[info]prettyoctopussy
2006-06-23 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Ahhh... So I take it that I shouln't make you a doily for Christmas?

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Re: The Msanthropy Section
[info]shrinp_wark
2006-06-22 09:46 pm UTC (link)
Alot of it is under social sciences.

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[info]dunkelnacht
2006-06-22 08:48 pm UTC (link)
Why is Michelangelo better than the cuckoo clock? Why does being "interesting" assign any value to the subject?

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-22 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Hey man, it's a quote from a movie. Talk about slavs with no sense of humor.

You missed the supporting context; swiss had 500 years -we got the birdie clock, Italians in 30 years of anarchy produced several immortal men and works of art.

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[info]dunkelnacht
2006-06-22 09:43 pm UTC (link)
I know its a quote. A very popular one too. But you appear to subscribe to the same views. It seems that somehow you consider men that are strong, proud, non-compliant, independently minded and capable of producing artifacts of worth to the further generations to be inherenly better than the rest of us. Naturally, the vast majority of us don't match your expectations. Hence the misanthropy. I'm just puzzled by your system of values. Why should people be "interesting"? Why should they produce something other than cuckoo clocks? It's all dust anyway.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-22 11:14 pm UTC (link)
Why should people be "interesting"

Most people shouldn't try to be interesting; they should just give up and go work in the fields.
http://lupoleboucher.livejournal.com/4723.html

I don't have a particularly mysterious world view. I just don't think much of humanity. Why would any sensible person?

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[info]k0re
2006-06-22 11:28 pm UTC (link)
its funny to look upon the great latticework of humanity and notice 2 particles that are at total opposite ends of the spectrum but yet manage to come up with the same misanthropic low view of human intelligence!

here's you diminishing humans to mere particles with no original thoughts merely in snyc with their neighbors, to an artist last night answering the question 'what makes something intelligent' by saying if the thing can react or squawk then it must be intelligent. sigh. :) one puts so little hope in the originality of human intelligence, the other lowers the bar so much that a light switch would qualify that both meet full circle to the same conclusion. at least your model of how things are has algorithms that can account for phenomena such as mass consciousness and behavior variances beyond the artists' simple stimulus-response view of intelligence. funny.

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[info]k0re
2006-06-22 11:30 pm UTC (link)
oh and this is a most enjoyable post btw! :)

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-23 04:12 pm UTC (link)
That's sort of the opposite of my assertion. I don't think people are intelligent because they just react like light switches with slightly more complex rules.

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[info]k0re
2006-06-23 09:29 pm UTC (link)
i know! and it proves your lattice theory. you guys are 1 degree removed despite being complete oppposites in everything but arriving at the same conclusion (intelligence typically not manifest in most people) through 2 completely different assertions.

so i guess even when people think they're being different and unique, they're really not? what does it take, i dont think its geographic though i suppose that can help...

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-23 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Most original thought seems to come with strife and chaos breaking the social lattice. For example: computer science and physics hasn't changed appreciably since WW-2; it's just gotten more complex.

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[info]k0re
2006-06-26 05:51 am UTC (link)
yeah the big assumption behind alicebot (modern version of eliza that won a couple of loebners which is a modified turing test) is that 80% of what people say isnt an original thought but is just repeated back from something they've read, or someone else they've talked to recently, what they heard on tv etc. so its really easy to predict what people will say next. 20% is possibly entirely original though or unpredictable.

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[info]vyoma
2006-06-25 12:05 pm UTC (link)
With all due respects to certain ancient Greek philosophers (who turned out to be wrong about a lot of things), humans aren't thinking animals, but animals that happen to be able to think. If thinking were at the core of human nature, then we'd all be geniuses. Humans are animals that do what all animals do... reproduce. Our big brains are just a tool for facilitating our ability to reproduce ourselves. In fact, the more "thinking" humans are, the later and less frequently they reproduce. A hypothesis for this situation is that there's a basic conflict at play between thinking and reproduction. From a natural selection POV, it could be said that given the current environment, selection is against the thinker and in favor of the non-thinker. Individuality requires a great deal of intellectualization; non-individuality is a more natural state.

Succinctly, fitness decreases as individuality increases.

If one looks at the structure of any human society, it becomes glaringly obvious that societies exist precisely to foster non-individuality. We simply have a genetic predisposition toward this sort of thing (by "we," I don't mean to imply that there aren't exceptions). I don't know that anything can be done about it... but every time some knucklehead wraps himself in societal symbols and is praised for doing so, we're seeing this mechanism, this deep-down genetic predisposition, at work. Look at the upsurge in patriotism that happens in times of crisis and you'll see a great example of how this mechanism kicks into gear when people feel a threat. Humans reproduce more at such times, too. Dissent is looked upon more harshly at the same time.

None of this is to justify human stupidity, of course. We could act differently. We do have these oversized cortices, after all. We just don't, by and large, because the thought never occurs in the first place, and that's the whole point, I suppose. Humans, in the end, are big sacs of complex chemicals that think highly of themselves for no good reason much of the time.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-26 06:03 am UTC (link)
"Humans, in the end, are big sacs of complex chemicals that think highly of themselves for no good reason much of the time."

striving for individualism seems bogus and futile then. maybe traditional religions that preach equality/flock/brotherhood etc. is really the more chartible explanation as oppposed to humans as particles in a lattice?

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[info]vyoma
2006-06-26 08:54 pm UTC (link)
No. That's not the point at all.

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[info]k0re
2006-06-27 02:44 am UTC (link)
that was me. i thought i had logged in already but i guess not. i think lupo's right though -its difficult to combat the effects of people around you that you have to choose your friends well. and also your media well. i've seen groups of misanthropes band together drinking together daily all claiming to hate people.

this book might be interesting: extraordinary delusions and the madness of crowds by charles mackay. he gives some examples of economic bubbles. mobs and mob mentality are creepy. consider what would be worse: big brother or billions of camphones and civilians watching each other.

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[info]k0re
2006-06-27 02:52 am UTC (link)
i laugh cause the last 2 things i posted was completely devoid of original thought. all stuff i read/heard somewhere else!

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[info]vyoma
2006-06-27 09:49 am UTC (link)
Hmmmm... I don't find either option particularly appealing. I guess I also realize there's not much to be done about either one.

I'm not presuming to speak for anyone else here, so pardon me if what I say seems a bit self-centric. Personally, I' don't find it that hard to combat groupthink affecting myself. When I was younger, that was different, but as I become more and more aware of what truly motivates me as I get older, I find it becomes easier to become aware of things that originate from myself and things which originate because of external influences. That's not to say that I don't go along with ideas imposed from the outside at times; it's often more convenient to do so when I have to interact with others, even when I think that the convention is a pointless distraction. I'm just aware of it; I make a choice to do it.

Bearing that in mind, it really doesn't matter what my media is. Whatever I read or view or hear is subject to constant scrutiny. People talk about bias in the media, but bias in the media is only important when there's already bias in one's mind upon which it can play out. Everyone has a bit of it, myself included. The same could be said of friends, of which I have just a few (and don't have time these days for much more).

Anyhow, I'll put the book on my future reading list... but it may take a couple of years to get to. Most of my reading these days is straight-up science. One of the more non-conformational things in my life is that I went back to school in my mid-30's to get a degree in biology, and I've just designed a study with an eye toward publication of the results, so I have a lot of self-educating to do.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-26 09:46 pm UTC (link)
Really, society is an invention to make it possible for large numbers of people to live. On the small scale, like in ape bands, conformity is a must, or you get eaten by wolves.

It doesn't really bother me that people aren't all original thinkers; I don't think that is possible or desirable. Plus, originality is overrated; most novel ideas are bad ones, like most mutations are not helpful. It more irritates me that people have ideas that they really are individuals when it is obvious that they ain't.

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[info]vyoma
2006-06-26 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Really, society is an invention to make it possible for large numbers of people to live. On the small scale, like in ape bands, conformity is a must, or you get eaten by wolves.

And we're not all that far away from this state, just on a bigger scale. I don't mean that we're likely to get eaten by wolves (I'd be more likely to get eaten by bears myself :), but we're still functioning largely on that mentality. The scale's just gotten bigger, and instead of wolves we have drugs and terrorists to scare us from the shadows. Face it, a good boogieman story never really goes out of style.

Some anonymous person asked whether it might be better to give up on the whole individual thing and join a traditional religion. That's precisely what a lot of people do, and that's likely an important part of what religion is for in modern culture (the "wolf" is Satan). Personally, I don't worry too much anymore about whether or not I'm an individual. I do what I do; I get into trouble for it sometimes, and that tells me that somebody else thinks I may be acting too much like an individual. I have no clue, nor much care, about how others try to individuate. I've gotten too old to worry about such things anymore. Leave me to go off into the woods and forage mushrooms and maybe a few crawfish on a good day and I'm quite the happy camper. Put me in a mall around Xmas time and I do my best to supress the urge to push the next shmuck in a Scarface t-shirt I see down the escalator. Give me the keys to a lab and some equipment and I'll go figure out whether some lumpy insect might be a vector for a plant disease.

Just an untested hypothesis here, since I'm hardly objective... but maybe the most effective means of individuating is to stop giving a crap about it. Then again, I could just be turning into an old curmudgeon.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-27 12:53 am UTC (link)
...but maybe the most effective means of individuating is to stop giving a crap about it.

Maybe so. For myself, I pretty much accept that I am influenced by others on all kinds of levels, and so I generally choose my friends very carefully, and default to solitude most of the time.

Or, as Uncle N. said
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed
by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning
yourself."


Meanwhile, you can make money by realizing (and modeling) how people are followers.

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[info]vyoma
2006-06-27 09:56 am UTC (link)
Ah, good old Uncle N. :)

Well, I can't help but agree. Then again, I live in a little barrel-shaped house at the edge of a forest and spend more of my time in the company of wild animals and books than in social situations these days. Even my friends have taken to calling me "the notorious hermit." Aside from superficial interactions on campus, about the only person with whom I spend substantial time is your old roommate (hard to believe we're coming up on ten years together, since we're not even mandated by the state to keep each other's company). She's far more the social type than I am, which is probably a good thing since my natural inclination is just to drift off and go live in a shack in the middle of the woods and be left the heck alone.

I can't quite claim to own myself, though. I owe to much money to the guvmint for student aid at this point...

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-27 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Neither one of you seemed particularly social when I was living with you.

My goal: the bungalo in the woods, in another country, without owing anything to anybody. Something like hermeticism or old monasticism, with a maid.

Set something like that in your head as your unconquerable goal and watch how the regular world tries to convince you that you should get a house, a fast car, an expensive wife, heirs, blah blah blah. Last week alone, 4 different people, some of whom I had previously thought of as pals (I mean, most of them didn't even have tits), tried to convince me that I need some kids to make me happy. This, despite the fact that the gist of the conversation was that I am, in fact, pretty happy and would rather not fuck it up.

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[info]vyoma
2006-06-27 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha... funny you should mention that goal!

I was talking with one of my favorite professors the other day, a very bright and very individualistic guy who wants people to callhim Billy-Bob. Serious Rennaisance Man type. He designed and built his own super energy-efficient house, raises bees, runs a cane syrup mill, grows exotic heirloom plants, and is a very well-regarded biochemist. Great guy, and probably the single best teacher of anything I've ever had.

Anyhow, I mentioned the goal I've had for years now... moving to Trinidad and spending as many years as possible studying rainforest mycology down there. In the course of the conversation, I mentioned that I was going to apply to the University of the West Indies for graduate school because they have a mycology program down there and I could get funding and do what it's been my goal to do all along. He was shocked and worried about how well I'd be esteemed if I got my degree from a Caribbean university because they have a reputation for taking in people who can't get accepted anywhere else. And that may well be true... but I'd be doing exactly what I've always wanted to do! Given that, who cares about what anyone else thinks about my degree? I mean, damn... this is Trinidad. It's half-covered with rainforests and the whole country shuts down for a week every year to party in the streets. The people are beautiful. I'm supposed to be concerned about what some snob thinks of my degree if I can have that for a life? The hell with 'em!

This sort of programming runs pretty deep... but it's like I said before, I guess... we're not thinking animals, just animals that happen to think. The pre-thought stuff still has a pretty strong hold over us. Reproduction is waaaaaay down there in the reptilian brain. Social status is back down there, too. Watch a couple of lizards bob heads at each other some time; social status and reproduction are really two sides of the same coin. Your friends telling you how you've just got to make sure your genes get replicated out there somewhere and my friend Billy-Bob worrying that I won't get a "highly-esteemed" degree are coming from pretty much the same place, I figure.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2006-06-27 06:48 pm UTC (link)
If you do this goal, I have a friend from Trinidad who has become a sort of bigshot. I don't know what kind of connections he has in Trini proper (probably not many: he grew up in the Bronx), but I suspect he still might be able to help set you up. I'm more interested in the far east, myself, though for the west, you can't do much better than Trinidad.

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[info]vyoma
2006-06-29 02:56 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the offer. I've actually got a couple of friends to call on if I do get down there. I'm friendly with the family of a past Minister of Finance, though it's been awhile.

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