lupo-leboucher ([info]lupoleboucher) wrote,
@ 2007-12-01 16:15:00
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Psychology has ruined everybody
It is one of my fundamental ideas about life that the psychological industry has ruined my generation. At one point in history, psychology was just an excuse for naughty suffragettes to make penis jokes in polite company, but it's no longer very funny. It's a profit driven industry, it's everywhere, and it's screwing things up.






Asperger's syndrome a term now applied to people who never bothered to develop social skills. Somehow 21st century nerds think humanity has conspired to deprive them of their social skills; that everyone else was born with the ability to be as devious as a courtier in the house of the Medicis, and they missed out on the genetic sweepstakes. The reality is, people with this, um, 'disorder,' are people who never bothered learning how to be nice to others. The fact that many people ended up being weird in the same way doesn't make it a genetic disease; it makes it a character flaw which is encouraged by society. Where were all these Asperger victims 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? They didn't exist, because humanity didn't have the leisure to create such tittering popinjays. Aspergers people at least seem to have the decency to know there is nothing wrong with them, though, being creatures of our times, they express this the way every other group of non-conformists has since Stonewall: by forming pressure groups declaring that normal people have to accept them as they are. They've even come up with a dismissive term for people who don't have their little affliction, "neurotypicals." Doubtless, it is only a matter of time before dorky people in highwaters get their own pride parade. I am looking forward to the day when, "people who sleep late," get their own syndrome and civil rights movement, and I can sue when I get grief for showing up late. Also, if your kid is "profoundly autistic" -time to grow up and face facts: he's mentally retarded.



According to the World Health Organization, depression is an illness as a more terrible affliction than, get this: "downs syndrome, deafness, below-the-knee amputation, and angina." So, according to no less an authority than the United Nations, the drooping lilly who whines to me about how he is sad in a gothic nightclub has bigger problems than a mental retard, a gimp, Helen Keller or someone who is about to have a heart attack. There probably is a serious disorder called depression. I'm sorry; you don't have it. Depression in the modern age is a combination of people getting themselves into stupid situations, poor mental hygiene, and unrealistic expectations of happiness. One of the few actual cures we know for depression is electroshock therapy. If you were really depressed, you'd sign up to have electrodes wired to your head. Instead, you take fashionable little pills which further scramble your brain. What boggles my mind is people who smoke hippy lettuce, drink heavily and pop alphabet soups of brain-frying designers ... and are surprised that they feel like shit, and their brain functioning is suboptimal. Why not quit doing that to yourself before you further destroy your frontal lobes with pharmaceutical fruit salad?


"A bigger problem than retardation, blindness, losing a leg, or a heart attack: being a goth chick"


Shyness syndrome is what triggered this particular tirade. While Fred Crews blames the sinister gigantor "Big Pharma," and their Svengali public relations firms, I don't see people as passive participants in all this, any more than I see junkies as victims of 'pushers.' Nobody sticks the needle in their arm. The fact of the matter is, people want the magic cure. They don't want to work at being not-shy; undoing years of self-indulgant introversion. They want to take the magic pill which makes them into charming, outgoing extroverts. What they get is a pill that makes them more comfortable with the shitty way they live their lives. Having a 'disease' is also a source for pride. Attention deficit disorder: a 'disease' which roughly translates to, "a kid who is not taking amphetamines." I can't blame the victims here, but I can blame the parents.



The american psychological association (a group which refuses to accept the veracity of statistical reasoning applied to their own treatments), has no effective treatments for any of the 'diseases' they have invented, yet they somehow claim primacy over these 'ailments.' Hell, at this point, "normal people who have their shit together," are in danger of being classified as abnormal and in need of treatment in the name of "diversity." People who believe in the healing power of character are, of course, closet fascists who are in need of diversity training. People who use religion to deal with their spiritual problems? Well, they are delusional, aren't they? Better to have them on prozac, right? The nation creaks and groans with quack therapists, 'grief counsellors,' life coaches and dispensers of brain nostrums. Even if you believe they have a place in life, it is obvious they create more problems than they solve. Would the GDP increase or decrease if we sent them all to Africa (cranks, therapists, brain-pills and everything) to minister to the mentally ill in that troubled continent? Psycho-quacks run a profit oriented industry; they're everywhere, and if you're the type of person who worries about companies that sell cigarettes and cheeseburgers, you should really be worried about psycho-quacks. Cheeseburgers and cigarettes only kill people at the end of their lives. Psycho-quacks steal people's souls and make them miserable in the prime of their lives.


"Dr. Guertin's nerve syrup: prozac for the American Civil War era; probably more fun to take, and at least the bottle is pretty"



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wandered in from friends' list of 'refinement'...
[info]ngakmafaery
2007-12-02 12:38 am UTC (link)
...I agree completely (and I'm a psychotherapist)...no longer are there just good days and bad days that people are expected to deal with, or feeling like crap because your dog died or because you lost your job or because there's an enormous bullsh*t war on that is ruining several countries including the US...it's all 'pathology'...it's really extremely unhealthy to not expect people to just *deal* with stuff, and to teach them the skills needed to do so...

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Re: wandered in from friends' list of 'refinement'...
[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-02 01:00 am UTC (link)
Nice to hear some agreement from the enemy! The natural reaction to apostates seems to be to get a rope. I hear cognitive behavioralists are a step towards showing people how to develop a little backbone, but I hope you'll forgive me for being skeptical in general.

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[info]mlknchz
2007-12-02 12:46 am UTC (link)
Well, you know, "depression" has been around for a long while, they just used to call it "melancholia".


But the rest of this shit?? YUP.

Sorta reminds me of this analogy:
My first car was a '66 Mustang. That was a great car. It was fast, agile, and easy to work on - and it looked TITS. I could disassemble and reassemble most of it myself. Also, it was 12 years old, and it ran like a top; it'd probably still be running today if I hadn't crashed it.
New cars don't really run any better, they don't look any better, in no objective way ARE they any better. But, you can't work on 'em yourself. Every little thing that goes wrong requires a trip to a mechanic, and a large bill from same. All the new crap they've put on new cars has really only served to make them more complicated and expensive to own.
Psychaitry has managed to move this paradigm to people.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-02 12:56 am UTC (link)
Agreed regarding melancholia, though Galen had the cure, even in Roman times: nice surroundings, proper diet, exercise, good digestion, adequate sleep and freedom from worry. Find me a shrink who makes their patients attend to these things, and, well, you've found yourself a rare gem.

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(no subject) - [info]mlknchz, 2007-12-02 01:00 am UTC

[info]medvssa
2007-12-02 12:39 pm UTC (link)
Maybe American cars in particular are in no way objectively better nowadays, but in general cars are considerably safer now, something to consider, too, if you are into crashing around.

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[info]evergrey
2007-12-02 01:05 am UTC (link)
I dunno Lupo- I have a friend whose son is diagnosed with Asperger's, and it really looks like high functioning autism to me. There's a path worn in the back yard where he walks in a circle over and over and over again. Nothing will grow there, he's been doing it all his life. He's constantly reciting anime and lord of the rings, not like a geek quoting stuff, it's a compulsion. In fact, in every way he's just like the Autistic kid I was in school with for a couple of years, except that he is a little bit higher functioning. I do think that there's a lot of mis-diagnosis, people diagnosing themselves or others with it because they read about some symptoms somewhere and decided it was the answer to all their social problems.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-02 01:18 am UTC (link)
It's pretty obvious that lots of people are broken and/or have problems. When a substantial proportion of the population, and completely normal people with social defects start claiming to have fashionable 'disorders,' -sorry, I don't believe it. I also think a lot of people act fucked up because the people around them either let them, or subtly (or not so subtly) encourage them. One of my favorite reads is Jay Haley's essay about the families of Schizophrenics (I read it in "Power Tactics of Jesus Christ" -my review is on amazon under my real name). There is a reason it's inherited: but it's almost certainly not genetic.

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[info]rfd
2007-12-02 01:52 am UTC (link)
Ugh, sore topic for me. I hate this shit; we didn't have "disorders" in the old country. You were stupid and weird or you were productive. Fin.

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[info]mlknchz
2007-12-02 01:59 am UTC (link)
Yeah, they used psychiarty for it REAL purpose; punishing dissidents and gays :)

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-02 02:28 am UTC (link)
"we didn't have "disorders" in the old country"

Countries closer to the bone have no time for silly made up diseases for sure. It's what makes working class and immigrant people so much more interesting than the tittering pustules who go 'round making problems for themselves and everyone else.

Also, it was probably attributable in part to the healing properties of mayonaise.

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[info]bricology
2007-12-02 02:50 am UTC (link)
Agreed, and agreed.

And I'm sure you've seen it already, but I had to bring it up:

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-02 04:42 am UTC (link)
Never saw that one. Ask a ninja indeed.

When they're young and naive and will fall for my Baudelaire references, that sort of thing is forgivable (as long as she takes out the dumb lip ring). It's the adult version that really harshes my 'do. Frankly, I shouldn't tolerate the young cute ones either.

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[info]evergrey
2007-12-02 04:41 am UTC (link)
Also, what would you call soldiers having flashbacks and the like? It's called post traumatic stress disorder now, before that it was battle fatigue, before that it was shell shock, in the viking era it was battle fetters...

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-02 04:50 am UTC (link)
When I actually meet one I'll let you know what I think of them. Meanwhile, despite having known hundreds of actual battle scarred veterans, I have yet to meet a single solitary one who had flashbacks or was made crazy by combat. They may very well exist; the record from WW-1 certainly indicates people can be driven nuts by constant bombardment, but I have not met a single one yet.

I remember when I was a 19 year old policeman, I asked a question like yours to a brother cop whose skin had been melted off of his arm bones in the Vietnam war, and he looked at me like I was a complete moron. He told me real life warfare and it's aftermath wasn't anything like the nonsense they show you in Rambo movies, and since then I have been inclined to believe him.

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[info]commonreader
2007-12-02 05:50 am UTC (link)
Of interest: women giving birth aren't as traumatized as you'd think a person would be because of the hormones that keep the memories from sticking.

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[info]eris_devotee
2007-12-02 01:11 pm UTC (link)
My husband has Asperger's. I don't deny that it's caused a lot of people to misdiagnose themselves, but I personally don't know of anyone who has receivedm inaccurately, that diagnosis from a medical professional.

I can assure you it's way way more than mere awkwardness, and that autism is very very real, and not related to intelligence in any way whatsoever. You can disbelieve all you want, but it doesn't make it go away.

My husband's habits for you are well beyond quirky or socially awkward. And, in fact, to meet my husband you wouldn't think him a nerd at all - you'd find him a pretty boy/bike messenger dude. His intelligence has allowed him to find ways to deal with his issues when in public, but the cost is that his private time is spent almost entirely within his comfort behaviours (hooting, tapping, pacing, rocking). He graduated college with honors, but he destroyed about a dozen keyboards in the process, because they were the cheapest part of the computer for him to freak out on in the midst of writing papers. Sure, sure, you could call it a temper tantrum, but then you'd be stuck in the same judgmental place that is leading me to a divorce, even though I know in my bones he can't help himself.

and my step-father had flashbacks and was made absolutely crazier by Viet Nam. I mean, he started off schizophrenic, and then he went to marine boot camp, and came out a hand-to-hand combat killer. They never should've let him out of the marines, and they never should've let him marry someone. He would wake up in the middle of the night, sweating, but still be sleeping, and he'd break windows, furniture, get his guns, etc. he had a hair trigger when it came to anger, and I have the xrays to prove it. Tis true, he was batty to begin with, but the military turns people like him into very special sorts of monsters.

and myself - well, I flash back with total body memory. I don't disappear from the present - it's not like a made-for-tv movie, but when something instigates the memory of my step-father's violence, my reliving it is total - my body will even throb in all the "right" places.

and all of these things are usually the result of trauma or malfunction in an otherwise highly creative individual... maybe that's why you disbelieve - you are so firmly in the logic camp that you can't even conceive of what living in another sort of mind might be like (which seems to be a function of a logical mind, anyway... a certain rigidity).

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[info]eris_devotee
2007-12-02 01:20 pm UTC (link)
err, third paragraph, first sentence please remove the "for you"...

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[info]evergrey
2007-12-02 01:45 pm UTC (link)
It's easy to deny something that is not immediately tangible. Someone with no legs, well, that's obvious. When it's internal? I think people instinctively deny things they don't understand. Humans do hate the unknown so. It is far easier to come from one's own perspective, work with what one knows best. "This is not true for me, therefore it oughtn't be true for you. This is easy for me, therefore if it is not easy for you, you're just not trying."

And yes, yes, yes about flashbacks. Something in the body gets triggers and misfires a whole bunch of shit. It's mental and physical, I think.

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(no subject) - [info]lupoleboucher, 2007-12-02 10:20 pm UTC
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Yes, sir, indeed! - [info]pharminatrix, 2007-12-04 07:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eris_devotee, 2007-12-07 04:48 pm UTC
Let's hear it for uptight white ladies and their crafty ways - [info]prettyoctopussy, 2007-12-07 01:37 am UTC
Re: Let's hear it for uptight white ladies and their crafty ways - [info]eris_devotee, 2007-12-07 03:40 pm UTC
Re: Let's hear it for uptight white ladies and their crafty ways - [info]prettyoctopussy, 2007-12-07 04:08 pm UTC
Re: Let's hear it for uptight white ladies and their crafty ways - [info]eris_devotee, 2007-12-07 04:29 pm UTC
re-take - [info]eris_devotee, 2007-12-07 03:52 pm UTC

[info]cerulicante
2007-12-02 03:09 pm UTC (link)
This needs to be printed by the thousands and plastered on the front of every psych clinic in the country. Reality is the most bitter pill to swallow, it seems.


As for me, my parents would never allow me to wallow in the masturbatory indulgence of victimhood assumed by the lazy and undisciplined. So I had to work hard to get the correct mental framework to support MYSELF and not take brain candy and weed.


The results speak for themselves. Here is a photo of me getting my MS from my advisor.

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[info]tadziu
2007-12-03 01:11 am UTC (link)
Since I have been nut houses, and I myself have problems, I can tell you that there is a real difference between the whining 17 year old goth girl and the real patients. Most patients in the nut houses are not schizos, but rather depressive or bipolar. They are truly ill. Real Depression is chemical, it is not about "my bf left me". The latest study actually have doctors put in electrodes inside back side of the brain to depression patients, and that this type of "shock" therapy turned out to be working. The patients only need to take this surgery once every 6 months. But it makes a world of difference.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-03 02:40 am UTC (link)
Amen to that.

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is it cheap to freeze comment word?
[info]eris_devotee
2007-12-03 01:32 am UTC (link)
I didn't advocate any medical intervention for anyone. That's an unfounded statement. I merely agreed that the diagnoses are accurate, but I said nothing of the proposed treatments. DO you know when you are assuming, yet do it anyway when it suits your purpose?

as for the rest - like I said, I imagine it seems rather dramatic to you, instead of an honest recounting of my life. of course, I *must* be the cause of every last bit of it, because instant karma follows me everywhere I go. I'm special that way.

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[info]eris_devotee
2007-12-03 01:33 am UTC (link)
of frick!!! the subject line got mangled..

it was supposed to read "is it cheap to freeze comments in order to get the last word?" especially when one is attacking someone else...

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Re: is it cheap to freeze comment word? - [info]lupoleboucher, 2007-12-03 02:35 am UTC
Re: is it cheap to freeze comment word? - [info]eris_devotee, 2007-12-03 03:00 am UTC
freezing comments wouldn't prevent me from deleting anyway - [info]eris_devotee, 2007-12-03 03:08 am UTC
Re: freezing comments wouldn't prevent me from deleting anyway - [info]lupoleboucher, 2007-12-03 03:37 am UTC

[info]eris_devotee
2007-12-03 01:58 am UTC (link)
and another comment - you might do well to consider it takes all kinds to make this world run, and if populated with clones of yourself... you might find a lot of stuff that you enjoy suddenly gone from the world. I doubt there are enough people who don't fall into your broken category to accomplish a land worth living in, either.

it seems, to you, that is neither here nor there, and denying their existence or their possible needs is the best course of action. but to do so is to erase them, and when you do that it is a much bleaker picture than with<>/i> them.

hooha, I'm sure.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-03 02:40 am UTC (link)
"blah blah blah, you either justify my being a self-dramatizing nincompoop or you deny my humanity, blah"

I realize logic isn't your strong point, "eris devotee" (could there be a more perfect moniker for a drama queen? thank you for that! like the stripes on a bee!), but "nanny nanny boo boo the world needs me more than the world needs you," doesn't even make a decent playground insult. Please attempt, when you post here, to exercise a little self control and logic.

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(no subject) - [info]eris_devotee, 2007-12-03 03:01 am UTC

[info]uberdionysus
2007-12-03 05:37 pm UTC (link)
Agreed. It's one of the many malaise of our time. It also distracts from people with real problems. I was a melancholic kid, ultra shy, and unsociable. I got over it. Not saying that everyone can, but MOST people can.

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[info]lupoleboucher
2007-12-03 08:23 pm UTC (link)
Thinking about your Thanksgiving friend from Doctors Without Borders (and reading something extremely silly in another LJ window) was partial inspiration for this one!

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[info]oronzo
2007-12-19 04:32 am UTC (link)
and if you're the type of person who worries about companies that sell cigarettes and cheeseburgers, you should really be worried about psycho-quacks. Cheeseburgers and cigarettes only kill people at the end of their lives. Psycho-quacks steal people's souls and make them miserable in the prime of their lives.

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